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Abstract This interview with Shmuel Trigano, editor of Pardès , considers that it is not suffering as such that has value in Judaism, but the testimony of faith. One certainly finds in Judaism a mystique of suffering for the sanctification of the Name ( Kidouch haChem ), but it does not carry the same weight as redeeming suffering in Christianity. And while the Bible attributes to God some involvement in violence, Trigano considers that, on a historical level, it is necessary to look for human and not divine responsibility. So is he appalled by religious interpretations that assign to God intentionality or responsibility for the Shoah and violence in the Middle East.